Pickup upgrade for my RGD 7421

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Hey,

I recently got myself an Ibanez RDG 7421 and now that i got some money for christmas i can finally get rid of those, in my opinion horrible, stock pickups. I am mainly a bass player and I do not have much knowledge about guitar pickups. I did some research and based upon that, I am considering to buy one of the following pickup sets:

DiMarzio Crunch Lab+Liquifier
BKP Painkiller (maybe with an Aftermath at the bridge position?)
Seymour Duncan Blackouts

Has anyone of you tried one of these sets in an RGD? Or could you recommend one of the sets or even throw in some new?
My current audio interface is a Focusrite Saffire 6, but I am planning on getting a Pod HD or X3 around February.

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Hey mate,

Both the Aftermaths's and Blackouts are killer pickups...I've just upgraded from Blackout 7's to a Warpig (ceramic) for neck and Aftermath in the bridge, for an 8 string. Amazing high gain pickup the Aftermath, it can handle anything you throw at it. Very distinct EQ curve compared to the blackouts, a lot more personality and warmth. And the output is way, way bigger in depth...the blackouts will be a little louder in output volume, a very slight amount cleaner noise-wise, but the Aftermath blows it clean out of the water in my opinion. A much, much nicer definition of your style when playing. Very harmonically resonant, dynamic pickups.

The warpig is really nice on cleans, and I have it tapped with the Aftermath, they're pretty awesome pickups dude. Do it Laughing out loud

Here's my latest demo using this configuration (from my Etherial Guitars 8 string):

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CL + LF seems to be popular for more RGD pick up upgrades.
I'd personally go with them my self. But ive never personally usee them so take this with a grain of salt.

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^ If you are talking based on other people's opinions, as by the sounds of it you are - could you point the OP in the direction of where this info is coming from dude? All my sound experiences with DiMarzio products have always been disappointing.

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If you want to go unique, go Liquifire in the Neck and Warpig in the bridge. That would be killer. But, my straight up choice would be, Lundgren's M7's.

As for your choice's, it's going to depend. The LF/CL combo will give you more tonal versatility. The BKP combo of the Aftermath/Painkiller would give you a better and more solid Djent wall of sound. Though a calibrated Aftermath set, might be an even more Djent choice. Last, but not least, 'Blackouts'. The 'Blackouts' would be the pick of the lot if, your looking for that "Metal" impact. Something about 'Blackouts' that give that little extra "ooomph". But, the down side is, compression. I feel, no other pickup gets as affected by compression than, the 'Blackouts'. That's the Active issue, I guess...

Good Luck-

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Thanks for your advice! The LF/Warpig thing seems interesting. Why do you think it would be good? And since the Aftermath set might djent more, what will be the benefits of swapping one of them for a Painkiller? How will be the Djent sound of the LF/Warpig combo in comparison to the "Bareknuckle only" options?

Cleans. How are the clean sounds of these pickups? I have read that the Warpig has amazing cleans.

A general question I am having is, how heavy will the pickup choice influence the sound/signal after it has been processed? I have never touched a Pod before, but won't it wash away some of the differences or at least offer ways to compensate them?

PS: I actually took a look at the M7 before I started the thread, but did not consider them because they would be a little bit too expensive.

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I decided to go with my Warpig as a primarily clean output pickup, i also blend it with the piezo. Amazing clean sound, very very even in articulation and frequency. Very defined with gain also, but i'm still doing some work on getting a nice mid gain tone with the Warpig, it's really sensitive to gain from what i can tell.

All these sounds in the above track i posted as a demo are made with both the Warpig and Aftermath within Cubase5 - pod farm 2 was used for all my amp simulations

and lastly, no - MASSIVE differences in sound reproduction with just pickups alone - particularly when DI'ing the guitar (such as when using pod farm, etc)
That being said - i don't think i will EVER use another active pickup set now i've moved on to Bareknuckles.

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I have a Warpig in the bridge position, in my RGA7QM mahogany body, gitfiddle. I have heard other Warpig's in different guitars. The one constant is, Warpig's have a heavy & varied effect that gives solid body to your guitar sound. I have yet had a Liquifire so, all thoughts are projection. The plan is to acquire one this new year. We'll see...

All pickups have different combinations of magnets(Alnico II-V, Ceramic, Neodymium), wire wound materials & numbers of revolutions of the materials. Depending on the company, you get pickups with pre-amps(Which are Actives) or not, which are passives. Each pickup is and are designed to accentuate it's own specific tone surrounded by specific woods. Bare Knuckle Pickups are great when it comes to matching your projected tone, with your guitars body wood and their brand of pickups.

So the point...know what tone(Bright, Dark, Mid/Heavy) you want so, you can achieve that result. Though some people do not believe in tone woods. *Can you listen to your favorite record and tell what type of wood is being used?* One of those, "What came first?", questions.

Now here's the trick tying all this together, with your signal chain effects. Which effects can help augment the finer points of your pickups? Know your pickups and know your effects. Certain pickups are made for high gain effects so, you may not need to have a high-model high gain amp or pedal. It does get a little tedious but, once you get it...you got it. That's what makes an effect processor(Axe/Fx II, Line 6 POD's, Eleven Rack) important.

The effect processor compiles thousands of dollars of equipment into a box you can use, to mix and match to find your own tone.

...ok...where to begin...Big smile

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Alright, I looked at some tests of the pickups and I love the clean tones you can get with the warpig. At the moment I'm considering the LF/CL set, a Warpig in the neck position and an Aftermath or Painkiller for the bridge or second-hand M7s. I definitely won't get Blackouts, EMGs or anything similar.
I've got two more questions:
1) How hard will it be to get a proper Djent tone with the LF/CL set? (I like these really "wet" tones - BoO or Vildhjarta for example)
2) Would the Aftermath or the Painkiller fit the basswood body of the RGD better and which one of them synergizes better with the Warpig?

Thanks, you guys helped me a lot so far Laughing out loud