seriously need some feedback on rough mix.

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Ditenado
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for my third song i completely redid the way i look at producing and the results look good so far.
-on my to do list: cymbals, bass, something different for the intro and the leads in the chorus (blegh),humanizing and fixing ghost notes on the reinforced drums, eq on acoustics in intro, atomate volumes and eq.

what i need help on:
-how do you eq synths. ive got a midi violin mixed with a harp and a wierd synth (cant remember what its called) combined with some action pads during verse and chorus.

-clarity in rythum guitars: they sound much bigger then last time but still horribly muddy. mulitiple cuts and boosts in the mids where it sound appropriate. this helped alot but i have no idea what else needs to done cause it sounds like i forgot somthing.

-stereo on mono solos: i copied the solos and made a track that was purley stereo delay with slight differences in timing for width (cool tip i got from johnny). the problem is now the solos sound artificial. do you guys know any other ways to widen a mono track or am i stuck.

-ideas for percusion in the intro: tried slow, weak and/or very digital sounding drums but all sounded like crap.

-anything else that stands out to you other than what i previously stated, i know volumes are off i was rushed to bounce this before break.

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toms-what do you guys do to make your toms stand out? mine sound almost transparent in all my mixes. its kinda wierd cause the samples are pretty punchy.

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for the synths , try changing them in the VST window , on Hypersonic , Nexus , Pro 53 and other theres probably a presence , tone , EQ knob , try experimenting , I would suggest to read this : http://www.recordingeq.com/Subscribe/tip/tascam.htm I have it in my notebook , as a reminder , useful stuff

Did you double track guitars , mid boost , presence boost ,
when I want to widen something (solos) I copy the track , pan one 100 L , other 100 R , and move one ahead 64 , 128 of a note ,

Hypersonic has cool synth drums , so do a lot of other vsts , free ones probably ,
be sure that no instrument is taking other instruments EQ ,
I notice myself sloppy recording , out of tune places , the drums are kinda weak , muddy ,
thats my comment , im fairly not so new at all this , correct me if im wrong ...I help where I can !

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the guitars sound almost like you had the cab sim on your modeler activated and let it go through another IR in your DAW - just very dampened. i almost suspect you tried to get rid of the fizzle and ended up cutting too much on the high end there. if that is the case remember, you won´t fully get rid of digital fizzle, you´ll just get a little control over it. tell me if i´m right with the fizzle cutting cause i have a good tip for that.

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What's your fizzle-cutting tip? I have this issue.

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^ Notch filtering. Depending on your DI or input chain..but my main 2 cuts are at 4800Hz (down by 7db, very narrow Q) and 8600Hz, same cut. You may need to sweep the first frequency notch to find the best way to shape down the nastiness Wink

I generally do this on the buss or group channel more than the individual instrument tracks, and always after compression in the chain

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^ That! i usually put the EQ for notch filtering first in the chain of EQ´s and make sure all the other effects on the rhythm bus are deactivated. then i sweep through the area of 3-8kHz to find the freq´s that are most outstanding and cut them down at least -3db with a Q of at least 10.

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your right johnny I did use a low pass filter to get read of that sizzle. for rythum guitars I used a line 6 spider jam and leads are done with a line 6 spider 4 both mic'ed with an sm57. I might start using the spider 4 for rythum too because everything recorded with the jam sounds muddy.

to DJR- I tried making my own synth drums (normal drums with a crap ton of effects) but they sound horrendous. I'll definately look at the hyper sonic drums and some others i recently found on vst4free.com. for the guittars im quadruple tracking for the first time. much more power but a whole lot of messiness (hence the fizzle cut). I know all the takes are pretty slopy but i guess thats what happens when your rushed. good news is I just got a mac so i should have all the time I need for a good take for newer songs Big smile

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Thanks guys! That's pretty much what I've already been doing.