Tracking Vocals / Mixing Vocals

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ozzma9898
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I am curious to know what gets done for Vocal production , especially for metal and djent. I must first say that the signer must be good to start off with. I have constantly read that "reverb" and doing more than one take play a key part with creating a good strong vocal track. It seams that screams and clean chorus are at different ends of the spectrum.

My questions are,

Pitch Correction! How fussy does one get? (Is Melodyne the prefered plugin)

Making it sound big! ( more than one take?)

Dedicated vocal VST's ( Are there any? ,excluding Melodyne and ahhem...autotune.)

Condenser mics vs Ribbon mics?

Can anyone please share their thoughts on any of these subjects, it would clear up a lot of my confusion!

Thank you everyone!

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First post, ahaa.
Let's see if I can help. Is this for screams, or clean vocals?? This post focuses on screams, sorry if it's not what you're looking for!!!

First, I never use pitch correction, so I can't help you there, sorry.

Making it sound big. I ALWAYS double track(or more) screaming vocals. And usually it consists of one normal scream, and then what's called a whisper track underneath it. A whisper track is where the singer literally whispers the lyrics into the mic (very in sync to the scream), and then heavily compress the whisper track, and mix it with the main scream. You can even have multiple tracks of whisper to thicken it. I always use this method with success.

I can't help with any specific VST's, but I'll usually just add an EQ, some dark REVERB, and definitely, definitely a COMPRESSOR. Also, you can add a subtle distortion, but don't over do it.

MICS!!!!!
First of yes, you can use condenser mics, large diaphragm condensers work best, in general for screaming i'll stand about two feet from a condenser to scream.

That being said, I prefer dynamic mics for screams. The screamer can actually hold the mic, as if on stage. The Shure SM7B is great for screams and the SM58 & SM57 do a fine job as well.
I wouldn't use a ribbon mic, that's just me.

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dont use a sm57, thats for instruments, use a sm58. double tracking your vocals (unless a clean over a ccream, or a obvious high/low layer) is basically making your vocals sound better than they really are in reality (fake vocals most would think of it as.)

get a good vocal mic, a sm58 will suffice, and just do them how you think they sound good. to correct pitch, use your ears and best judgement, don't be a lame ass fake vocalist who is gonna sukc live and sound great in a recording.

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and adding distortion is probably one of the biggest fakes you can pull... oli sykes.....

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Can you give me an example where you can hear those whisper vocals?
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jordy666sic wrote:

@EvanDrumm

Can you give me an example where you can hear those whisper vocals?
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Trust me when I say that bands DON'T do stuff like that. layering vocals to a point is excpected and normal, but whispering them...? come on.

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Yeah this wispering vocal track is strange, could you post some examples?

Anyone have advice for cleans? I have a hard time with them.

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Haha yea well that is what I thought! Also the reason that I was wondering Tongue

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I'm interested in learning more about recording screams as well. If anyone would like to chime in on that topic, much appreciated!

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rickydekker wrote:
jordy666sic wrote:

@EvanDrumm

Can you give me an example where you can hear those whisper vocals?
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Trust me when I say that bands DON'T do stuff like that. layering vocals to a point is excpected and normal, but whispering them...? come on.

Hey, sorry if I sound mean.. But what exactly is your experience?? First off SM57's & and SM58's are practically the exact same mic, with a different capsule. SM57's work GREAT on vocals, not just instruments.

And secondly?? What are all these bands that you've recorded with to know what they do and do not do. You have to open you're mind to things and stop living in a box. Deftones is an example where whisper tracks are used, and i'm sure you'll find more if you search.

TRY IT, if it doesn't work for you, then whatever. But it has worked amazing for me in the past. If you like it, great, if not, that's fine to.

And adding distortion is fine in some cases. Note that i said SUBTLE!!! i hate overused distortion, but just the right amount can be great.

It's all a matter of opening up your mind, trying new, things and seeing what does and doesn't work for YOU!

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I don't care if I sound like an asshole right now, but this is a perfect example of the kind of people that get their band hated by thousands of people. Whispering vocals is not a technique, or a method of doing vocals at all whatsoever. neither is adding distortion. A sm57 and an sm58 are very different, just like a condenser and a ribbon and a dynamic mic are all different. This isn't a matter of agreement.

Sorry EvanDrumm. But I'm going to stick by what I'm saying, ask any professional or talented, or educated vocalist and see what they think of your statements. Hell, ask ANY musician.